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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 18, 2009 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

Although there are several from '74 that I enjoy more than Louisville, I have to concur Earl.

It's a travesty that this show is getting the chop-job by the imbeciles at Rhino/GDP...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 18, 2009 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

Cliff,

I put xxxxx next to the tracks that are included in RT 2-3. Can you honestly say that when you put this show on you listen to any of the other tracks? I know on my walk from my dorm room to the office this morning I started at Eyes. Me, I don't need Around and Around or Loose Lucy. I might have gone with Row Jimmy and Loser in their place but i think this may be the perfect show to do a highlight reel from. Besides this means the February Winterland run is still intact and for the 10 disc box release!!


d1t01 - The Promised Land
d1t02 - It Must Have Been The Roses
d1t03 - Black Throated Wind
d1t04 - Ramble On Rose
d1t05 - Beat It On Down The Line
d1t06 - Loser
d1t07 - Mexicali Blues
d1t08 - Eyes Of The World -> xxxxx
d1t09 - China Doll xxxxx
d1t10 - Around And Around xxxxx

Set 2:
d2t01 - Loose Lucy xxxx
d2t02 - El Paso
d2t03 - Row Jimmy
d2t04 - Weather Report Suite -> xxxx
d2t05 - The Other One -> xxxxx
d2t06 - It's A Sin Jam -> xxxx
d2t07 - Stella Blue xxxxx
d2t08 - Big River
d3t01 - Tennessee Jed
d3t02 - Sugar Magnolia xxxx

Encore:
d3t03 - Morning Dew xxxx

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

This show, IMO, is easily top 10 all-time and certainly deserves to be released in its entirety.

"You're probably wondering why we called you all here tonight. The upshot of it is, that one of ya is a Venusian spy. We believe that this spy will reveal him/his or herself shortly."

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Poster: Estimated Pete Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

The BIODTL has the "My Old Kentucky Home" riff in Jer's solo. Leaving that out is a travesty. For shame.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

good point.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

It's like getting a half-bottle of '85 Romanee Conti...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

half a bottle is better than none at all!!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

I dont think DRC would even consider a bottling :)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

Nope, but perhaps for a full show release of 9-18-74? A little hometown drink to go with a show that I prefer to both of these.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jun 18, 2009 2:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

The Grateful Dead obviously enjoyed France, even though they have had to deal with plenty of complications there through the years.

My point is that there are several shows from 1974 much more suitable for a Road Trips release. There are a few inconsistent performances that include some creative jamming. I would have rather seen the jams from Reno, or Roanoke, or Chicago, or Munich...

Some shows are like "cellar treasures" and Des Moines and Louisville are like '82 Bordeaux, they have aged so gracefully. They deserve better...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

here we can play the same game with iowa:

Set 1

Bertha
Mexicali Blues
Row Jimmy
Beat It On Down The Line
Scarlet
Black Throated Wind
Sugaree
El Paso
It Must Have Been The Roses
Jack Straw
China Cat ->XXXX
I Know You Rider XXXX
Around And Around

Set 2

U.S. Blues XXXX
The Race Is On XXXXX
Eyes Of The World ->XXXXX
Big River XXXXX
Playing In The Band XXXXX

Set 3

Tennessee Jed
Me And My Uncle
Deal XXXXX
Greatest Story Ever Told XXXXXX
Ship Of Fools
Truckin' -> XXXXX
Nobody's Fault But Mine Jam -> XXXXX
Wharf Rat -> XXXXX
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad XXXXXX

Encore
Casey Jones


The sound on this show is a little screwy in the beginning so that takes out the first two songs. What else do you listen to? Scarlet?, Sugaree?, Roses? Jack Straw? Ship of Fools? I would probably have liked those better than US Blues and Race or in '74 even Deal. I think i would end up skipping a bunch of the stuff they left out anyways.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

I know this is more directed at Cliff's comment.

But seriously - they should release the whole show and let everyone decide what to do with it on their own.

I look at each show as a singular event to be experienced from beginning to end.

Rarely will I put one just a segment of a show, or listen to part of a 69 show then put on something from 83 right after.

On the other hand you sound like you prefer to pick and choose select songs from each show. Maybe not all the time, or even most of the time.

Each to their own - which is the most compelling reason why these shows should be kept complete so that the individual listener can decide in what way they'll experience it.

This post was modified by clashcity on 2009-06-18 19:31:54

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

I rarely have the time to listen to complete shows, especially from '74 so its more a practical issue for me. I think an equally practical issue is that commercial releases designed to make money and I suspect that they believe that they can make more money releasing the best parts of 2 or 3 shows than the a 3 CD release of one show. Remember these are all CD releases that are not available for download. What I don't understand is why you wouldn't make these shows available for download as well as doing the RT thing. Finally this show clearly has more meaning to you than me which is normal. I would have been very upset if they had done this to the Feb '74 run i mentioned as I think two of the shows of the three night run are better than either of these shows.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

2-24 is maybe better than 6-18 (depends on the day) but only by the skin of its utterly sick China > Rider and the Dew coming out of Dark Star.

To me though the Eyes, WRS > Jam > Other One > Sin > Stella really blows the lid off of the Feb. Winterland run - as much as I enjoy them.

The Feb. Winterland shows also have practically flawless recordings to help them out. Not the case with many 74's or 73's for that matter.

Either way 2-24 and 6-18 are top 10 shows for me. I can take or leave the Iowa show...

This post was modified by clashcity on 2009-06-18 19:59:34

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 18, 2009 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

I like the 2-23 show a lot too and think it gets overlooked because of the monster the next night. I think the WRS is better than 2-24 and the He's Gone-> Truckin'-> Drums-> The Other One*-> Eyes Of The World doesn't suck either.

Utterly sick China>Rider!!!!! My favorite one for sure.

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2009-06-18 19:59:06

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jun 18, 2009 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH No Brainer

Ok givin my previous postings I figured I should go back and give the Iowa show a good listen again since I haven't really givin it a good going through for a bit and check if I missed something. The Opening Bertha is screwed up, due to the fact that the Guitars are not coming through at all, not because the recording is screwed up but due to on stage {wall of sound?} difficulties it seemed. I think they fix it by the end of the song. After that this show is pure bliss. There is not a song on there I wouldn't want to hear over and over in the format it's played originally {there is a flow to this show that clicks with me for some reason.} and today I listened to it throughout the day whenever I had a spare moment.
The thing I guess is, they included most of the Iowa show on the disk and that is great but I'm wondering if I reorder the show from China Cat on on these disks, to there proper order, will it sound the same?
I could actually get into this release if you could and it was seamless, although I'll miss the Jack Straw.
It would be almost like having the full hdcd Iowa show plus a bonus disk of the Freedom Hall stuff, hmmmm.
On second look at the excellent list you provided of what's on the disk and what's left off, and recalling, there are way to many highs that are missing to make me switch from the circulating stuff. I guess I'm not sold on this one in the end but appreciate some will like it in this format.

This post was modified by barongsong on 2009-06-18 20:31:44